Tour stats include:
Club Speed, Attack Angle, Ball Speed, Smash Factor, Launch Angle, Spin Rate, Max Height, Land Angle and Carry.
TrackMan Average Stats Taken From The PGA TOUR
TrackMan LPGA Tour Average Stats
TrackMan Average Tour Stats
Club Speed, Attack Angle, Ball Speed, Smash Factor, Launch Angle, Spin Rate, Max Height, Land Angle and Carry.
So the average male Tour pro hits down on the ball slightly with the driver?
Should attack angle vary with clubhead speed?
Bret,
The attack angle for the pros varies on woods, but it’s more or less negative when it comes to hybrids and irons. For the average player, the attack angle on drivers varies and in general so should the ball that is hit from the ground always have a negative attack angle in order to get a better margin of error for the impact.
However, in order to get the longest carry possible, the ball should launch high with low spin. The optimal numbers are individual based on club speed – and that type of flight can easier be achieved if the spin loft is low together with a high dynamic loft. The more the attack angle is negative, then the higher the spin loft gets => the attack angle should be closer to 0 if anything IF the goal is to carry as long as possible.
But generally, the attack angle for irons should be from -2 – -5 for almost all players, but for drivers you can hit it further with a positive attack angle, no matter the club speed.
Niklas Bergdahl
Support Manager EMEA & Asia
Can you send me the optimal numbers across the board that players and coaches should be looking for in lessons and trackman sessions
Thanks
Looks like the average LPGA players trackman swing speed is more or less the same as an average 10 hcp male player. Though the ladies are a lot more skilled in hitting it on the right angles and in the right spot on the clubface. Would an average 10 hcp male player have a advantage or disadvantege using graphite shafts?
Harry, any player of any handicap can benefit from graphite shafts. More often than not, the memory in most players’ minds from graphite stems from a very long time ago when graphite was ONLY graphite. It was whippy, and not very accurate. Material advances and composite technology have nearly rendered steel obsolete. I say nearly, mind you. There are a number of outstanding graphite shafts out there that are super stable and responsive, enabling a lighter club and longer distance without sacrificing accuracy. Fujikura makes some really nice iron shafts that fuse both steel and graphite technologies called MCI. In fact, i have Fuji PRO 95i shafts in my irons and my iron game is better now than it ever was with steel. I’m a 3.5 index and relatively strong but it allows me to play all out without getting tired on the back 9 from heavy clubs. Being a club builder, i can tell you that in golf equipment there’s a trade-off in everything. wether it’s length, weight, or feel so your advantage or disadvantage is dependent on how precisely you build your piece of equipment.
Hey Chris thanks for the info below i find it very interesting. Curious do you have those same shafts in your wedges or do you have steel in your wedges? I played SteelFiber i95 shafts last year in all my irons including wedges. I liked them in my irons but i felt like it hurt my game in wedges. Do you have any thoughts on this? Thanks
Agreed. Shallow your angle of attack to match the LPGA players.
I have had a number of sessions on a Trackman, (the latest on Aug 22, 2015, at “Modern Golf” in Mississauga On.). My clubhead speed and distances are about the same as LPGA averages. I was doing wedge work, and see that for a pitching wedge, (48°), my angle of attack -about 7.5° – is n=much higher than LPGA average. My accuracy is good, (only 3 0f 19 shots more that 20′ away, and all when the face angle was over 4° closed).
I’m thinking that I should weaken my left hand a bit, (it’s a little strong on pitch shots), and play the ball farther forward- 2″ ahead of centre. Am I on the right track, or will these changes introduce new problems?
I’m 74 years old, and am a long-time PGA of Canada member. Thanks for any feedback…. love Trackman outings.
Hi Larry,
I would recommend that you visit one of our certified coaches, he/she would be able to help you and find what numbers are best for you.
See our TrackMan Locator here.
I don’t disagree with these stats but I do it;s kinda weird. 87 miles mph with an 8 iron should produce 177 yards of carry not 160 that’s a lot of mph. Iv’e seen high school kids hit 9 iron 165 and they don’t swing 100 mph with a 9 iron. When I swing hard I hit my 8 iron 155 and my legit radar read 72 mph so logic would dictate at 88 mph you would get more like 180 yards carry again that’s a lot of mph.
Remember that’s a carry number not total distance. Also since the pros produce significant more back spin, their ball flight is higher, landing angle loftier producing minimum roll whereas your total distance might be benefiting from maximum roll. One more thing to check would be launch angle where you might be hitting a low ball flight to maximize distance which in my opinion is “cheating.”
The PGA Tour 8-iron goes 160 in the air for a couple of reasons. One, they usually hit weaker lofts than high school players (like I) do. Secondly, they spin their 8-iron at 7998 RPM to stop the ball on fast greens. I believe this is the combination that makes the 8-iron go so much shorter.
I’ve hit thousands of balls on Foresight simulators, and what I’ve found is that backspin significantly influences carry distance. Holding club head speed constant, greater backspin reduces carry distance on all clubs.
For mid-irons, I’d estimate that you lose roughly 5-7 yards of carry per 1,000 RPM in additional backspin. And with the driver it’s easily 10+ yards of carry lost per 1,000 RPM.
This explains why poorly struck balls will often fly as far, if not further, than a well-hit shot. The key to backspin is crispness of contact – a poorly struck shot simply won’t spin as much. Unless the impact is absolutely terrible, the lack of backspin on poorly struck shots will cause those balls to carry further than a well-struck ball. So if you’re flying balls over the green with your irons, the culprit could be too little backspin caused by poor contact, cheap balls, a dirty club face, etc.
I think this is also the key reason why fades don’t carry as far as draws. It’s not that a draw swing is any faster/more powerful – it’s simply that fades have more backspin due to the impact geometry/physics involved with that swing.
Now I may be wrong on some of this, so I’d love to get a true expert’s take.
One thing I forgot to add to my comment above is that you need a minimum of backspin on all golf shots just to get the ball up in the air. That may be 1,500 RPM for woods and maybe 3,000 for irons.
My point is that increasing backspin beyond this base level will generally reduce carry. For example, I can guarantee that increasing the backspin on your 7 iron from 5k to 7.5k will reduce your carry with that club, even if your swinging faster at 7.5k.
I totally disagree with your premise. Draws carrying further than fades? That makes no sense.
Larry , I would highly recommend you see Mark Evershed . Buy him lunch and get the answers your looking for .
Hi guys this was a recent session with a cobra 3 wood 16 deg loft.my question is my launch angle seems a little low ,interested in your thoughts .thanks Shot # Club Club Speed (mph) Ball Speed (mph) Smash Factor Launch Angle (degrees) Direction Back Spin (rpm) Carry Distance (yards) Total Distance (yards)
1 3 Wood 94 143 1.52 8.80 Straight 3874.00 215.00 232.00
2 3 Wood 98 148 1.51 9.10 Straight 4096.00 223.00 240.00
3 3 Wood 94 142 1.51 9.10 Straight 3904.00 213.00 230.00
4 3 Wood 94 143 1.52 8.80 Straight 3874.00 215.00 232.00
5 3 Wood 96 145 1.51 9.10 Straight 4000.00 219.00 236.00
6 3 Wood 94 143 1.52 8.80 Straight 3874.00 215.00 232.00
7 3 Wood 94 143 1.52 8.80 Straight 3874.00 215.00 232.00
8 3 Wood 93 141 1.52 8.80 Straight 3826.00 212.00 229.00
9 3 Wood 92 129 1.40 12.40 Straight 4138.00 190.00 207.00
10 3 Wood 94 142 1.51 9.10 Straight 3904.00 213.00 230.00
11 3 Wood 94 142 1.51 9.10 Straight 3904.00 213.00 230.00
12 3 Wood 94 143 1.52 8.80 Straight 3874.00 215.00 232.00
13 3 Wood 96 145 1.51 9.10 Straight 4000.00 219.00 236.00
14 3 Wood 93 140 1.51 9.10 Straight 3856.00 210.00 227.00
15 3 Wood 96 146 1.52 8.80 Straight 3970.00 220.00 237.00
16 3 Wood 92 140 1.52 8.80 Straight 3778.00 210.00 227.00
17 3 Wood 95 144 1.52 8.80 Straight 3922.00 216.00 233.00
18 3 Wood 96 145 1.51 9.10 Straight 4000.00 219.00 236.00
19 3 Wood 94 142 1.51 9.10 Straight 3904.00 213.00 230.00
20 3 Wood 91 137 1.51 9.10 Straight 3760.00 204.00 221.00
21 3 Wood 94 143 1.52 8.80 Straight 3874.00 215.00 232.00
22 3 Wood 95 144 1.52 8.80 Straight 3922.00 216.00 233.00
23 3 Wood 95 144 1.52 8.80 Straight 3922.00 216.00 233.00
24 3 Wood 96 146 1.52 8.80 Straight 3970.00 220.00 237.00
25 3 Wood 96 146 1.52 8.80 Straight 3970.00 220.00 237.00
26 3 Wood 96 145 1.51 9.10 Straight 4000.00 219.00 236.00
27 3 Wood 94 137 1.46 10.60 Straight 4054.00 204.00 221.00
28 3 Wood 94 143 1.52 8.80 Straight 3874.00 215.00 232.00
29 3 Wood 98 142 1.45 10.90 Straight 4276.00 213.00 230.00
What kind of balls were you using?
Brent. This was at a driving range with srixon range balls
Ok the one number that really stood out to me was the smash factor. Usually anything above a 1.50 indicates something is illegal. There’s a reason not even the PGA tour players aren’t averaging 1.50 off the tee. Other than that your numbers look good.
Brent what about the launch angle
Yes the launch is a little on the low side. But seeing how you’re still getting decent distance I wouldn’t worry too much about how it’s coming out. But try hitting down on the ball more to get it up in the air faster.
I frequently get above 1.5 on trackman with longer irons and my woods (I have raised this with your tech teams already). This is because your machine measures club speed just before impact and doesn’t detect acceleration through impact
Trackman doesn’t detect acceleration through impact on solidly struck shots so you can post smash factors above 1.5. It’s best to just rely on ball speed with Trackman
Brent in one of your comments you said my smash factor was high ,had a session last night at range and some of my smash factors were 1.53 is this something to try and change and if so how do I change it
Like you had said you were using range balls correct? If so the smash factor will be a little off since they aren’t a legal tournament ball. What the smash factor (as explained to me by the Carolinas PGA rules committee chairman) is, is a measurement of how well the ball comes off the face. There’s a specific calculation for it but I’m not positive of it and anything over a 1.50 usually is a tell tale sign that either the club or ball is illegal. What I would recommend doing is using the ball you would normally play a round with and get some readings off that ball.
I read not long ago that Rory Mcilroy had a smash factor of 1.53 as well . If Willie can hit it 380 the way Rory does, I wouldn’t change a thing.
Larry. I’m 55 years old 280 is my distance not 380 Like Rory
Ball speed divided by club head speed is smash factor
I’m currently doing my university project on green-side bunker shots, I was wondering if you have any shot data for a short bunker shot or flop shot? Thanks.
Hi Blair,
Sorry but we do not have any official data we can share, but it would be interesting to see your final research :)
Blair,
My assumption would be that the cleaner a ball is picked out of a bunker the more spin it will have and vice versa. The more sand you use to move the ball the less spin.
Do you have TrackMan data for AoA and DL for greenside bunker shots?
Hi Lane,
Sorry we do not have any official bunker shot data.
In looking at the tour pro stats for men – the max height reading for all clubs is about 30 plus or minus 2. I am trying to understand how/why are the heights the same for all clubs? My assumption would be the more lofted the club the greater the height! Is 30ish the optimum figure for best distance? Because in my last stats my longest 9.5 degree driver shot was max height of 56!
Is there any data available from the Senior tour?
We do not have any official charts for the Senior Tour.
But you can login on mytrackman.com and use the combine section and filter, to show only Senior Tour players.
Thanks Christian!
what month/year is this data from?
Is there any data on typical club path for a tour pro?
Can you please post stats for average path, club face, and face to path numbers for PGA tour?
Could you please post average path, club face, and face to path numbers for several top Tour Players?
Before all the hype about hitting up on the ball came about, I hit down on a driver anywhere from -2 to -4 degrees and swung 1-2 degrees left.
Once I started to try and swing up on it. I lost direction big time. An easy swing for me is 112, swinging hard at it I can get it up to 123. Does Trackman recommend those that have higher swing speeds to hit down on it for straighter direction?
There is no physics logic backing up that hitting up on the ball will give a decrease in accuracy. However to go from hitting down to hitting up you have made some changes to your impact obviously. The way you made the changes could well be the problem as this could have affected your impact location, swing path, clubface and the way you release the club
Can pga tour players carry the ball 293 yards.
A Question:
Were some data change on this site? I ask because I’m quite sure to have read other data for the men’s driver trajectory.
Am I wrong or can someone confirm this?
kindly
zorro
Hi!
Is my impression right, that the data for the men driver were changed from
[Daten alt: 112mph 165mph 11,2° 2685 31y 39° 269y]
to
[Daten neu: 113mph 167mph 10,9° 2686 32y 38° 275y] ?
Why did TM do that?
For the tour pro stats – mainly carry distance, launch angle and spin rate for the driver, you have the averages, could you supply the max and min (filtered for outliers)? I am going to run an experiment with Trackman at my golf academy and need a starting range for each item. The tour max and min range is a starting point versus having to create this from scratch.
Anyone know where I can find raw data of clubhead speed? It is for a College project. Thanks!
You know what would be great to see – average miss from target – left and right – for each club. Of course short and long from target matter as well, but solid contact isn’t really my issue – left and right misses is my challenge
I’m about a half club off of PGA Tour average distance wise. Technically I’m a 1 handicap, but more like 4 or 5 when the tourney pressure is on. I know from playing with better players the difference between me and them is pretty much how much more accurate they are from a left and right perspective.
Hi Jim
You can find all this info from Mark Broadie. He has tracked all the shots on the us tour for years and also written a book Every Shot Counts about it
I have been playing Golf for less than 19 months. I must admit I was damn tired of the same Golf Lesson producing varying results with inconsistent instruction(s) which seemed contradictory to the previous lesson. I take Golf perhaps a little more serious than others and my “approach” to this game may be viewed as extreme due to my focus on Fitness/Strength Training combined with my Yoga and Nutritional regimen.
That notwithstanding I would like to formally THANK the Trackman Developers and Support Staff for FINALLY producing a “Standardized” curriculum eliminating the traditional random quick fixes and circumventing the often inconsistent and contradictory methods being taught today.
I currently own a Trackman 4 and although I DO NOT wish to teach, I am Certified as an Operator and successful in obtaining my Professional Level 1 & 2 Certifications and shortly will be submitting my Thesis to be considered for review. These Certifications have greatly assisted me in understanding Flight/Ball dynamics and greatly assists my Coach and I in our 4-5 hour daily Putting-Wedge-Iron-Wood and Driver Sessions providing the data necessary to produce a more consistent and …. I have a hard time with this next word…… F U N game. (There I said the word “fun” in the same sentence as “Golf.” I’m so proud of myself!!!
Seriously, I simply CANNOT thank Nathan Meyer for coming to my hometown and demonstrating the enormous benefit(s) of purchasing the Trackman 4 product.
Kym Fontana
kymfontana@aol.com
Kym,
It has been an absolute pleasure getting to know you! Your work ethic, attitude, and kindness are all things that I can look up to. very excited for 2017 and I am looking forward to seeing you again soon!
-Nathan Meyer
nm@trackman.com
Are there numbers posted for an average 5 HCP player or 10 HCP player similar to the charts above for the ave tour player?
What is the #1 PGA Tour player in “Carry Distance” average carry distance??
I understand this data is pretty old, released soon after the time when trackman first came out. I’m sure things have changed since then. Any update?
Hi Leo,
Actually, we haven’t seen any huge changes over the past years, it’s more about roundings.
For example, Avg. Club Speed for a driver:
2014: 113.0 mph
2015: 113.3 mph
2016: 112.9 mph
And it’s pretty much similar with the other numbers.
We do have a graphical updated version of the Tour Stats here.
I’m looking for PGA tour averages for dynamic loft for different clubs. Does anyone have this data to share? Thanks!
Are there tour averages for club path?
Are all these stats full swings? Example: Would the avg tour pro hit a 6-iron further, if he turns fully and tries to hit it as far as possible (with a natural movement like on a driver – not with an unnatural swing that creates most possible power, but result in very unconsistent ball flight)?
Currently I practice indoors because of the winter. I do my practice with Trackman and I carry my 7 iron about 177-180 yards and total distance of 188-192 yards with my TaylorMade PSi irons. Lots of my shots with the 7 iron has a smash factor of 1.50-1.51.
This is a example of one of my shots with 7 iron.
Club speed: 80.2 | AoA: 1.3 | Ball speed: 120.5 | Carry: 164 meter | Total: 176 meter | Dyn Loft: 19.6 | Smash Factor: 1.50
Is that normal number for a 7 iron with a that club speed?
Averages are useful, but knowing them would be more useful if we knew the median and mode, as well as the range.
Hello, Are there updated PGA Tour Trackman stats?
On Trackman this week using 7i I noticed the spin rate I had was well below that of a pro by nearly 3,000 rpm but similar club speed and attack angle. How can I get my spin rate up?
Hi Glen,
It can vary a lot due to the ball and clubs you are using. For example driving range balls are normally very hard and will have much lower spinrates than a quality ball like a Titleist pro v1. Modern day irons are also built to higher the lauch angle and lower the spinrate so that the average golfer will achieve more distance
It would be great to know the average loft for each club, especially the irons!. I think 21-24-27-30-34-38-42-46 (3-Pw) are reasonable specs. What do you guys think?
What loft are the irons?
A modern 7i is now 30°
Is this still the original data from 2015 or has it been updated?
I’d be very curious to see if the how the average attack angle has changed over this time in the PGA.
Please update this data from over the years of more testing.
Thank you
Raswing
Do you have any numbers on tour averages numbers on dynamic loft and spin loft?